tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post2173431475327354848..comments2023-11-02T04:44:59.171-04:00Comments on John Gorman's Media Blog: Radio: Beware of Con artistsJohn Gormanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15246404080972884401noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-981562617653433582008-07-01T14:41:00.000-04:002008-07-01T14:41:00.000-04:00No way around it. Conclave sucks. The entire thing...No way around it. Conclave sucks. The entire thing is run by an indie with the help of his consultant friends. Radio pros are voting with their wallets and their feet. The meeting that once gathered many has fallen on bad, bad times and all of its own doing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-55529570103393142502008-07-01T13:51:00.000-04:002008-07-01T13:51:00.000-04:00"Anyone who actually thinks the Conclave pays cons..."Anyone who actually thinks the Conclave pays consultants to speak is a complete idiot. Not only that, consultants pay their own way." <BR/><BR/>WHAT? Show me a consultant or a speaker who PAYS the Conclave to speak or work. They are paid to speak and paid to perform. Right. Abrams spoke for free.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"You morons seem to think consultants ruin the world and/or are hacks hired by others. You have no clue what you're talking about which just adds to the ongoing laugh track that should be part of this ridiculous blog."<BR/><BR/>The guy who writes this blog is a consultant!!!! The guy who writes this blog also does speaking engagements and I'm sure he gets paid to do them, too. So what if he takes issue with a couple of phonies?<BR/><BR/>"Guys like the unnamed consultant are among the hardest working visionary people in the biz."<BR/><BR/>That is a laugh. First of all I don't think he is unnamed. There is a direct link to his web site/blog. Visonary? Why does he blog how bad things are at rock radio? He is responsible for what went wrong. He led stations down the wrong path.<BR/><BR/>" Is it a consultants fault that a station fails? Please. That's like blaming a car designer for Ford going bankrupt. "<BR/><BR/>If a station listens to a consultant and follows his direction yes it is his fault if the station fails. Consultants are okay. You can listen to them or you don't have to listen to them. You can agree or disagree. They are advisors. The problem with most stations is that they turn everything over to the consultant and when something goes wrong he suggests firing the PD.<BR/><BR/>I could go on but why bother? I think most people on this comment page care about radio and care about its future. They are the ones who haven't tasted the Kool Aid. By the way, what is your favorite flavor?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-38628267102941359352008-07-01T13:00:00.000-04:002008-07-01T13:00:00.000-04:00Anyone who actually thinks the Conclave pays consu...Anyone who actually thinks the Conclave pays consultants to speak is a complete idiot. Not only that, consultants pay their own way. <BR/>The venom in this column is unbelievable at times. It's all about how everything is wrong with no substantive solutions or solutions that are so impossible as to be laughable.<BR/>No doubt the industry is in trouble. Name one that's been around more than 20 years that isn't. <BR/>You morons seem to think consultants ruin the world and/or are hacks hired by others. You have no clue what you're talking about which just adds to the ongoing laugh track that should be part of this ridiculous blog.<BR/>You know, you COULD try to do something about all these problems as opposed to sitting on the periphery spouting personal hatred when you simply do not seem to understand (or care) how it works. Guys like the unnamed consultant are among the hardest working visionary people in the biz. Is it a consultants fault that a station fails? Please. That's like blaming a car designer for Ford going bankrupt. EVERYTHING has to work right and that's obviously not going to be the case. And you know what? Some stations CAN'T win. Perhaps some of you unemployed losers should attempt to be constructive versus spouting out and out personal attacks on people who really are trying to save this business. And the next time anyone of you spouts off about how it's about money you should be shot -- EVERYTHING is about money, dumbasses, but that does not mean, at all, that there aren't hard working people with great ideas trying to help/save/resurrect/build radio into something special.<BR/>For you employed people -- do the best you can with what you have. Radio is far from dead and a few million idiots paying for satellite haven't dented a thing. For you unemployed people, get off your ass, get a job in this industry or some other, and shut the F up about how others have F'ed things up. GrrrrrrAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-30930429146294941512008-06-30T22:03:00.000-04:002008-06-30T22:03:00.000-04:00Abrams consulted Windham Hill while adding all the...Abrams consulted Windham Hill while adding all their product on the Wave.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-56639489398539567872008-06-30T19:35:00.000-04:002008-06-30T19:35:00.000-04:00"Lee Abrams the Jesus of Cool Radio? He ruined AOR..."Lee Abrams the Jesus of Cool Radio? He ruined AOR, ruined Z-Rock (he didn't create Z-Rock. He took it over, misunderstood the metal heads and added Bon Jovi, Cinderella and Poison) and takes credit (at least his buddy DelColliano gives it to him) for Bob Dylan's XM show."<BR/><BR/>Hey John Sebastian Pollack, you forgot he also tried to ruin The Wave by filling it with Moody Blues, King Crimson and other weird classic rock stuff for a while (ca. 1991 or so).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-86977548145878002342008-06-30T17:28:00.000-04:002008-06-30T17:28:00.000-04:00Way to call it like it is - you nailed it.The clav...Way to call it like it is - you nailed it.<BR/><BR/>The clave of the CON.<BR/><BR/>What a terrible waste of time and money.<BR/><BR/>Abrams was complaining about how bad radio is and Jerry was telling everybody they had to launch 1000 podcasts.<BR/><BR/>100% crap.<BR/><BR/>One three day infomercial for CONsultants and other CONs. Will never make that mistake again. Why didn't you warn us BEFORE the stupid event.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-23743239907962152942008-06-30T10:41:00.000-04:002008-06-30T10:41:00.000-04:00"BULL! The Conclave is all about the money."Believ..."BULL! The Conclave is all about the money."<BR/><BR/>Believe what you want to believe, but it's not. The big radio owners are killing things like this because they don't pay to send their staff any more. And the people on the front lines can't afford to pay their own way.<BR/><BR/>At one time, it may have been a bonanza for the organizers, but not lately. <BR/><BR/>If you guys want to go to conventions where they spend all their time attacking radio and plotting for its demise, there are lots of them out there. Look at Adelstein's schedule, and you'll find them, because he speaks at them all the time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-38524782832577792722008-06-30T05:27:00.000-04:002008-06-30T05:27:00.000-04:00Deja Vu. SOS/DD. CONclave in a nutshell. Abrams a...Deja Vu. SOS/DD. CONclave in a nutshell. Abrams a joke. Fumbles is who you say he is. A talking head. Denial was the topic of the event. Tom Kay's thumbs were sore from counting his take.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-58246781895866247562008-06-29T21:19:00.000-04:002008-06-29T21:19:00.000-04:00BULL! The Conclave is all about the money. It was ...BULL! The Conclave is all about the money. It was formed by an independent record promoter who worked with a number of consutlants. That is how it grew. You can get anyone to speak at any event. Just pay them. This is a money maker for those involved. Sure they say they are a non-profit. I would love to look at the books to see how much Tom Kay pays himself and how many consultants like the Coot and McVay's boys he has on his payroll/advisory committee. Drink the Kool Aid. They will make more. Ask them what they do with their data bank while you are at it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-26703330494890704052008-06-29T20:57:00.000-04:002008-06-29T20:57:00.000-04:00"I think they're just to keep the money rolling in..."I think they're just to keep the money rolling in..."<BR/><BR/>Really funny. The truth is it barely breaks even. No one is getting rich from Conclave. No one. <BR/><BR/>The big broadcasters aren't sending their folks any more. Registrations are drying up. <BR/><BR/>The purpose of Conclave is simple: Networking. It's not about money, but meeting. Face to face instead of through the the blogosphere. Wow...what an amazing concept. Speaking with people in person. It doesn't happen much any more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-70166301127134379472008-06-29T16:16:00.000-04:002008-06-29T16:16:00.000-04:00Those Kool-aid Conclaves aren't to solve problems....Those Kool-aid Conclaves aren't to solve problems. I think they're just to keep the money rolling in for the hosts and their buddies who put on seminars and group sessions. They never solve problems, although they'll even advertise that's what it's for. They just put more sugar in the kool aid. All in attendance is guarenteed a good time, however.<BR/><BR/>Then they party like it's 1929.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-85407627568535301412008-06-28T20:13:00.000-04:002008-06-28T20:13:00.000-04:00Reinvention: Vocalo.org 89.5 FM gets it.Reinvention: Vocalo.org 89.5 FM gets it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-26258931293429439852008-06-28T14:39:00.000-04:002008-06-28T14:39:00.000-04:00"He is a hired gun."When you're in a gun fight wit..."He is a hired gun."<BR/><BR/>When you're in a gun fight with a bunch of other industries hell bent on your destruction, you need a hired gun. All the other folks have them too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-15092537655799910662008-06-28T10:23:00.000-04:002008-06-28T10:23:00.000-04:00I have heard Rehr speak many times and yes I agree...I have heard Rehr speak many times and yes I agree that he is a good speaker. He is also a good actor and can do a fairly convincing delivery. Passion? No. He is a hired gun. Nothing more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-62853798616421077262008-06-27T16:52:00.000-04:002008-06-27T16:52:00.000-04:00Say whatever you want about Conclave. If you'd be...Say whatever you want about Conclave. If you'd been in the room and heard Rehr speak, you'd understand why the folks at the NAB hired him. He's a very good speaker, good motivator, and good representative for the industry. And he's more passionate about radio than a lot of people who post here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-24941147480319998562008-06-27T12:12:00.000-04:002008-06-27T12:12:00.000-04:00It's interesting how excited everyone is with pand...It's interesting how excited everyone is with pandora and last.<BR/><BR/>Take a look at their numbers and it translates to a .3 share. Can you imagine running a commercial radio station in a market with a .3? Stations are screaming now because they get a 2.<BR/><BR/>And the founder of pandora told an interviewer his business model is broken. They're losing money because 3/4 of their revenue goes to music royalties.<BR/><BR/>Enjoy it while you can. It'll be going away soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-29349723653840604382008-06-27T10:25:00.000-04:002008-06-27T10:25:00.000-04:00Try these instead:http://tinyurl.com/56cqbwhttp://...Try these instead:<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/56cqbw<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/637zz8Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-86588479911608447422008-06-27T10:23:00.000-04:002008-06-27T10:23:00.000-04:00Anonymous said... "Radio, as a medium, still has a...Anonymous said... <BR/><BR/>"Radio, as a medium, still has an edge, since it can provide a soundtrack, information, and, done correctly, play upon one’s imagination"<BR/><BR/>Oh, really? Take a look at this Compete graph and see how Pandora, the "personalized" music service has trumped Clear Channel's online streaming:<BR/><BR/>http://siteanalytics.compete.com/hdradio.com+clearchannelmusic.com+pandora.com/?metric=uv<BR/><BR/>Last.fm is also taking off, while Live365, a populat site for Internet Radio has stalled:<BR/><BR/>http://siteanalytics.compete.com/hdradio.com+live365.com+last.fm/?metric=uvAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-29438060466851914462008-06-27T10:22:00.000-04:002008-06-27T10:22:00.000-04:00I second the truth telling Conclave spy. Fumbles ...I second the truth telling Conclave spy. Fumbles is an idiot and why is he wasting his time at the Conclave? Lee Abrams the Jesus of Cool Radio? He ruined AOR, ruined Z-Rock (he didn't create Z-Rock. He took it over, misunderstood the metal heads and added Bon Jovi, Cinderella and Poison) and takes credit (at least his buddy DelColliano gives it to him) for Bob Dylan's XM show.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-12271801673288881312008-06-27T09:08:00.000-04:002008-06-27T09:08:00.000-04:00I'm @ the Conclave. Got a free ticket, got a free ...I'm @ the Conclave. Got a free ticket, got a free flight. Need I say more. It's the same old denial. Radio is right everyone else is wrong. Today it kicks off with your buddy Fumbles speaking. He is a good speaker and was trained to be. Whoever writes his material should be sent to Guantanamo. He is going to do two shows. A point counter point with some people from the RIAA. They will eat him alive if he has to ad lib. The duck is cute some radio people think. The usual idiots are fawning over Lee Abrams. Here is a guy who is the epitome of lucky not good and the radio dumb flock around him like he is some Jesus of Media. Denial is everywhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-6942833445998617172008-06-26T16:54:00.000-04:002008-06-26T16:54:00.000-04:00I think radio is going to have to try real hard to...I think radio is going to have to try real hard to lure any listeners back and the under thirty year olds are as good as gone. I doubt they will ever use radio.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-77840231857806474472008-06-26T16:25:00.000-04:002008-06-26T16:25:00.000-04:00Thank you for spelling content. Maybe some of thes...Thank you for spelling content. Maybe some of these experts will look that word up in the dictionary.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for not being a Conclave clone or a NAB clone or a RAB clone. <BR/><BR/>If this industry doesn't wake up it should be put to sleep.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-80812139374092530852008-06-26T16:23:00.000-04:002008-06-26T16:23:00.000-04:00Stock market plummets. What does this do to radio...Stock market plummets. What does this do to radio valuation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-48934074253502788562008-06-26T16:15:00.000-04:002008-06-26T16:15:00.000-04:00Why would radio management listen to anyone who ha...Why would radio management listen to anyone who has been consulting or advising radio over the past ten, eleven, twelve years anyway? Only a fool would follow the phony pied pipers. They did not have a clue about how to run radio under deregulation and they do not know anything about how radio and the internet should interface. I have read on line many of the suggestions these "experts" have made about radio and the internet. They know nothing. This proves it. I am not going to the Conclave either. The last one I went to had the outdoor Smashing Pumpkins concert and everyone was walking around in a daze caused by the early stages of deregulation dementia. I had enough of it then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2639893053950014759.post-36006504539180401822008-06-26T16:05:00.000-04:002008-06-26T16:05:00.000-04:00"Ask us if we care."If that's the attitude, why ev..."Ask us if we care."<BR/><BR/>If that's the attitude, why even show up? Why collect the pay check? Just quit. You're doing no one any favors, including yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com